Lizzy: Do you have a favorite memory or a least favorite memory of your
childhood?


Noe: I was born in a city called Tasco. Actually, my parents, they're from
a small village around thirty minutes from the city. The village is really
small. As I remember, we used to have dirt houses, small dirt houses. What
else? We didn't have any… Like the roads, it's like dust and ground, like
raw ground roads. What else? I remember that the people, they used to were
more kind. it was just love everywhere in my childhood. I used to be
shepherd, I used to have a sheep. I used to go to the mountains with my
sheeps, trying to feed them and everything. I used to have one small cow. I
used to have two horses and everything. After I immigrate to the US with
none English, I went there, live with my brother first, and I started went
to school, and started looking for a job actually. I was underage, so my
parents have to sign off the sheet for me to get a job.


Lizzy: And you were fifteen at that time, right?


Noe: I was fifteen. Yeah, you're not sixteen, I think, you cannot work over
there. I was just having a little, small part-time. After that I went to
___ High School. I went there and after I moved to ____, which is, I got my
GED from there. Well, it was just fine. I was growing up, making friends
and everything. I got used to the city. I got used to, how can I say?
Literally, the U.S., it swallowed me right away. [Chuckle].


Lizzy: It swallowed you?


Noe: Yeah, it swallowed me.


Lizzy: How do you mean?


Noe: Well, to get me into, how you say, the living style over there. I
adapted very well. I graduate, I start moving by myself. I move into my own
apartment. My own connections. After that, I became a chef. It was a little
bit of an expert on the kitchen. I got an offer, a job offer, from Iowa
about a restaurant opening. They offered me a pretty good salary, and I
didn't have to pay rent, so I didn't think twice about moving out there. I
opened the restaurant. They were really happy with my work. They were doing
very well. I set up everything right.


Noe: Well after six months, I decided to return to California because I
thought I was missing the weather because it's really cold over there in
Iowa. Well, after I saw the living expenses in California and living
expenses in Iowa, I make my statement. I was like, “No, I'm not staying in
California anymore.” Then I decided to move for good to Iowa. I went to
WITCC [Western Iowa Tech Community College]. I was trying to go for a
dentist.


Lizzy: That was the community college that you went to?


Noe: Yeah, the community college. It was one year and a half only, but it
was only in generals before I decided what to do. I was undecided between
being a dentist or a medical assistant. I was just going to generals before
I decide, and I was making my own investigation about salaries—first
priority was money, then timing, and then work bills and everything around
the community. Luckily, I didn't get to really get into the college about
my major. Well, after I return, I came to my small village—


Lizzy: Let's back up just a little bit to what led to you getting deported.


Noe: I was just having a good time with a friend. I was not the driver.
First, we got detained for swinging lines.


Lizzy: What?


Noe: Swinging lines, like roughly driving, like reckless driving. Well, we
were kind of a little bit of drinking. They were like, “Okay, drinking and
driving.” I was like, “Oh well.” I thought I was not going to get arrested,
but the people decide to arrest me.


Lizzy: You weren't the driver?


Noe: I wasn't the driver, no.


Lizzy: Your friend was arrested for reckless driving, and what was your
charge?


Noe: We charged for… Because that guy had an open container. It wasn't a
beer, but it was just a small glass from the bar that he took. They decided
to charge us both with open container. When I got into—well they just
detained me. Well, they scanned me literally, they run all my information,
they didn't find any social security number. That's how they called ICE.
ICE literally detained me for about a month before I decided to sign on my
deportation because I was sick of the jail. I was just tired and
everything. I speak to the judge once, “Okay, we'll see you for the next
court.” I was like, “No.” I was so sick already because I spent in County
for about four months as I remember, and then one more month with ICE. I
was just sick of it. I was like, “No, I just want to go.”


Lizzy: You decided you would rather leave and be deported back to Mexico
than stay in detention longer?


Noe: Uh-huh. I was like, ”No, I'm not staying here.”


Lizzy: What were the conditions like in detention?


Noe: Detention, it's just disgusting. It's just disgusting. There's hair
everywhere. Everything is dirty. It smells. The beds are hard. They give
you like, a little mattress like this, and it's just plastic. No, it's
undescribable. If you've never been there, it's undescribable. You can't
sleep because you always have to be aware. You never know who's going to
come through that door or who's going to be sleeping with you on the next
bunker. Yeah, it's rough. And you get sick there. I was just sick of it. I
was like, give me my deportation. I just want to go.


Lizzy: How did they treat you there?


Noe: Not bad, but they always intimidating, like trying to ... It's like
you are in jail, I guess. They don't want anyone to feel that they can make
whatever they want with them, or trying to intimidate the [inaudible], or
any other type of misconduct, I would say.


Lizzy: Yeah, misconduct.


Noe: Yeah, it's just hard. It’s undescribable.


Lizzy: What was the food like?


Noe: It's just gross. The portions are none literally. Sometimes they give
you rotten milk—just little boxes, like little milk boxes, like a little
carton thing. Yeah, so sometimes there's hair in the food. Sometimes it's
just the portions, literally, they just like shoved in like a half of a
spoon, just throw it in there. What else besides the hair..?


Lizzy: You were hungry a lot?


Noe: Yeah there was a lot of hunger in there. You can't save food either.
Cause I remember we used to save the peanut butter sandwich to keep it for
later on, for late night, so we wouldn't get hungry. They would search you
so if they found you everything that's ... They will penalize you, either
with the hole and everything, or twenty-four hours locked in. It's kind of
hard.


Lizzy: Big punishment just for trying to save food for later?


Noe: Yeah. Well... [Chuckles]. You're in there, you can't do anything.
You're just one more number and one more inmate.


Lizzy: Were any of your family members or friends able to come visit you
while you were in detention?


Noe: No. I was just by myself. My only family, they all stay in California,
and I was by myself in ____, Iowa. I didn't really want to call them,
because they say [inaudible] They were never going to support me.


Lizzy: They wouldn't support you?


Noe: No.


Lizzy: Can you tell me more about that? They wouldn't support you in terms
of that they would be upset with you, or just that they wouldn't help you?


Noe: I think they would help me, but they would be disappointed of me.
They'd say, “Why you do this?” or something like that. I rather not to call
them or tell them about...


Lizzy: They didn't know that you were detained?


Noe: No, they didn't know.


Lizzy: When did they find out?


Noe: When I got deported. [Chuckles]. When I got deported, I got released
on… What's it called? Nuevo Laredo, it's like the Texas border. I got
released over there, and then I called my brother because he owes me money.
I called him just to tell him I'm here in Nuevo Laredo. Send me some money
because I got to come home. [Chuckles]. Well, yeah, that's how they found
out I got deported. I'm pretty sure they would’ve helped me; they gave me
some money. But after that, no. That's when I got here.


Lizzy: Do you remember what it was like that day crossing the bridge from
Texas back into Mexico?


Noe: Yeah. I will never forget that. They just gave you this small bag with
your belongs, [Chuckles] which is like clothes from jail, so they're not
really good. They give you small needs, like a bag with needs, with
everything. They just release you. They take all the chains off. They're
just like, “Get off the bus, walk across the bridge.” That's it. Well, you
had to cross it. [Chuckle]. What other choice do you have?


Lizzy: What did you do when you were across the bridge?


Noe: I was a little scared, a little excited about a new thing, but I was
just thinking too much—like I don't have money, where am I going to go?
What I going to do? There was a lot of rumors about the cartels recruiting
immigrants as soon as you cross the bridge; they going to make you get into
a car, and they going to take you from there. If you with them or not, they
going to kill you. I was just looking around like, “Where's the car?
Where's the car?” [Chuckles].


Lizzy: Did you have any experience like that?


Noe: No, not really. Luckily, I got welcomed by this group of people—the
one I mentioned. They literally just went, “Okay, where are you going?” I'm
like, “Oh, I'm going to Guerrero.” “Okay, so listen. We are from the
Mexican government. We here to assist you and help with everything that you
might need.” I was like, “Okay.” “Just come with us.” it was a little scary
because they say, “Okay, just come with us,” and they just take you around
the building. You don't even know, what other choice do you have? You
either stay with them or just stay in the street?


Lizzy: And you're not sure whether it's safe to—


Noe: Yeah, whatever.


Lizzy: No other choice?


Noe: They say they from the government and they have a little logo, a
Mexico logo, so I was like, “Okay. I'm going to just go with them. Whatever
happens is going to happen.” They give you access to computers to
communicate with your family and everything. That's when I got in contact
with my brother. I was just like, “Send me some money here. I'm going to
need for my bus ride at least.” Then one of the guys heard me: “Hey, where
did you say you were from?” I'm like, “I'm from Guerrero.” “Oh, Guerrero, I
think Guerrero have some programs about immigrants from their state. It’s
their people, and they take care of them.” Yeah, if you're an immigrant
from my state like Guerrero, and you were born there, they will pay you. If
you get deported, they will pay you the trip. You submit an application,
and not even five minutes, they will be answering you with the
approve—well, the bus will have to take you to Guerrero.


Lizzy: To take you to Guerrero?


Noe: It was nice, I was like, “Okay.” I just told my brother to send me
money to Guerrero. I get to my house. That was it.


Lizzy: What did that feel like being back in your home?


Noe: [Exhale]. It was just awful. As I say, nobody knew me. I didn't know
nobody besides my family, my close friends and family, close family.
Besides my neighbors, they didn't know who I was. I didn't know who they
were—well yeah, the old people, but not, for example, if there was kids
five years old, they were almost twenty-five by then. I was like, “No.” It
was exciting getting to know more people.


Lizzy: Did you feel like you were returning home, or did you feel like an
outsider?


Noe: I felt like an outsider. Yeah, definitely an outsider. Well,
literally, you don't know what to do there. You don't know how they are.
Even you if try to adapt to the living in there, it's hard. They'll see you
and they'll just reject you, because “Oh, you didn't have an answer,” or
you didn't know how to speak correctly or formal with them. They'll just
get mad at that. That's one of the reasons I decided to come to the city. I
was like, “No, I'm not staying here.”


Lizzy: How long did you stay there before you came to Mexico City?


Noe: About one year. I've been living one year here. I've been jumping job
by job. Some jobs did not accept me because I don’t have the high school
diploma—that's why I'm trying to get it. Luckily, T-Tech they accept you.
They don't really care about the high school diploma, it's not an issue. As
long as you do the job right and you know how to do the job, they'll hire
you.


Lizzy: Do you like working at T-Tech?


Noe: I've only been working there for two weeks, but I think I'm going to
like a lot.


Lizzy: What do you like about it?


Noe: About my coworkers. They really help you out. They know how to talk to
you. We connect really well. That's why I feel okay. I feel like in high
school over there. We get along each other, we joke each other. There’s no…
a lot of people speak English better than me, like, “Go eff yourself.”


Noe: My profession was to be a chef, so I was trying to look for chef jobs
around here. I've found a few of them, but I was just harassed. I don't
know. In my department, on the hotel I was working as a chef, I was the
only bilingual, not even the servers. The waiters, servers, hosts, they
didn't know how to speak English. Sometimes, I was trying to be nice with
them and trying to help them out, translate, because there's a lot of white
people coming in there. It's like 80% of the customers, they're
white—that's the only people with money. Sometimes I notice that they are
having trouble trying to understand the customer, and I was just trying to
be nice [Chuckle], and trying to help them out, translate what they want or
what their allergies and everything. Instead of thanking me for doing that
for them, they was just complaining about me.


Lizzy: They got mad at you?


Noe: Yeah, they got mad at me. And I was like, “Well okay now guys, eff
you, I'm not helping you anymore.” I only stayed there for three months. I
can't do this, because everyone was just complaining about me. Well, I
guess I was just trying to be nice, but they don't see it that way.


Lizzy: Why do you think you had trouble getting along with them when you
tried to help them with English? Do you think that they were embarrassed?


Noe: They might be embarrassed or they might feel like I was trying to make
them less or something. That was not my intention. I was trying to help. I
was not being rude. I was not just like using rude words like, “Hey, you
have to say like this, not say like that,” or something like that, trying
to yell at people. No. It's the opposite because I was always telling them,
“If you need help with any words, any pronunciation, just let me know. I'm
here for you guys to help you out.” They didn't take it like that.


Lizzy: They didn't want help?


Noe: Yeah, and one other thing that I was not getting along with them is
because they were, like with the company, they always eating the product,
stealing this and stealing that. I was like, “I'm not like that, guys, for
real. We don't have to. We have a cafeteria. There's cake, there's a lot of
food in there, and it's free. You guys can eat everything from there. I
don't see the reason why you guys have to eat the product or eat the
things. Sometimes we short for the customers because you guys eating it.
I'm not taking that.” Also, there's quite a few situations that I went
through that the customer forgot their cell phones on the table, on the
bar, on the sushi bar, what everything. They just look each other, trying
to think what to do. You don’t have to deal with it, you have to return to
the customer! The customer's still at the door. It’s like, “What are you
guys thinking about?”


Lizzy: Sounds like you had a different work ethic than your coworkers
there. Why do you think that is?


Noe: I don't know. Maybe because I was raised differently with the U.S.
culture, I guess? In the U.S., you can leave your cellphone anywhere, and
even if you lost it, there's a high probability that they will return it. I
got returned my wallet twice with money in there, and they didn't really
ask for rewards and everything. I remember one time, a lady—a messy girl
from the streets, I think she was homeless—she showed up at the restaurant,
and was like, “Hey, is this yours?” It was my wallet. I was like, “Yeah.
Where you found it?” “Here. There's a lot of money in there, so take care
of it.” I didn't even know I lost my wallet, and they returned it. I was
like, “Hey girl, just sit down and give you the menu. Ask whatever you
want.”


Lizzy: That's amazing.


Noe: She was like, “Oh no no, I got to go. I got to go.” I was like, “You
sure? Come on, let me cook something for you. You can have it for later.
You can have it for to go. “No no, no, thank you, thank you, thank you.”
She just left. I was like, “Wow.” And here, I already lost my wallet once.


Lizzy: Nobody returned it?


Noe: I ain't got no call. I got nothing. I got nothing for it. That's what
I hate about this.


Lizzy: You had mentioned in the survey you got attacked and your belongings
stolen. Can you tell me about that?


Noe: Oh yeah. I was hanging out with my friend. She's a girl, short girl,
and I didn't really know. Those guys, they came to us with the knives. They
pull out the knives. They came to me, they put a knife on my neck, and
another one in my stomach, like say, “Don't move, don't move.” But as they
say that, I didn't show that I was afraid of them. I was just like, “Okay,
calm down. Take whatever you want. Don't do anything stupid, something like
that.” I didn't want to do anything—hit back or something and run
away—because I was with the girl. I was just more scared about her. She was
super scared. I was like, “Just take that, just go.” Yeah, after that,
there was a police station two blocks from there.


Lizzy: Did you go to the police?


Noe: Yeah, we went to the police. She filed a report and everything.


Lizzy: What did they do? Nothing?


Noe: Nothing. Nothing at all. I don't think she got contacted or something,
and I don't think they did something. It's just like a regular thing around
here. You get jacked and they steal your stuff.


Lizzy: You had said that you don't feel safe in Mexico?


Noe: No. To be honest, I don't feel safe. I'm always on guard, like
everything. When I see people, as long as I’m by myself, and I see people
getting close to me, I'm going to get just on guard. I see something you're
trying to do to me, I'm just going to scream and run. [Chuckle]. I don't
feel safe. I’m always aware. When I'm on the subway, on the streets, I'm
always checking my pockets around, “Oh, I still have my wallet, still have
my ... “ It's just a daily thing, I have to check everything. When I get
out and get into the bus, I have to check my wallet. I get out, I check my
wallet and everything. If you drop anything, somebody take it, you're never
going to see that item again.


Lizzy: Sounds like it's a stress that's always—


Noe: Yeah, yeah. Have to be aware, have to be aware, have to be aware!


Lizzy: Did you ever feel like that in the US?


Noe: No. Not at all. Never. I used to go to ___ in the morning, Chinatown,
by myself. Nothing ever happened. It's just definitely a different world, I
would say.


Lizzy: Different world here?


Noe: Different people as well. People here is just—I know there's good
people, but it's just, I hate some people really. They super selfish, they
only worry about them. They don't give a damn about anybody else. What can
they do to hurt the other people? For them, it's just them, them, them,
them.


Lizzy: Why do you think that there's people like that here?


Noe: One example from the subway, there's a lot of people that they don't
care about the others. I always tell it to my friends when I get to speak
about the city that when I came here, I was giving seats to the ladies, to
the girls. “Hey, take a seat and everything.” The people get crowded at the
door when the subway open the door, they just get crowded. Everybody wants
to get in. I was like, for real, just stepping aside, just trying to let
them go, and then I get in. Now? Nah. They crowd in, I go too. I have to be
like, “I don't give a damn about you.” There are ladies forties, maybe
fifties, they're nice, but I'm not giving my chair. Only if I see a really
elderly lady, “Okay, just take a seat there.” That makes a big change on
you and how you were raised. It's a lot of, the city takes a lot from you:
take your manners, take your... If you're kind to people, get ready,
because this city is going to change you.


Lizzy: You feel like it's changed you?


Noe: Yeah. For real. I feel like it's taking the manners from you. What
else? Kindness. The people ask you for money and everything. They're just
crazy. There's a guy in good working condition, just like, “Hey, give me
some money.” Get out of my face, get the fuck out of my face, because I
can't stand those people. In good, working condition, they can have a job.
I got this in my mind, if you in that condition, a homeless condition, it’s
because you wanted to. You have two hands, two feet, I don't see that you
suffer sickness or something like that, that will not allow you to work or
to have a job. There's a lot of work around here. There's work everywhere.
You just have to want to work first. That makes me mad a lot. Get out of
here, get out of my face, because I can't stand them. I can't stand the
people. I can’t stand that.


Lizzy: What's been the biggest challenge for you? What's been hardest for
you being back in Mexico?


Noe: The biggest challenge I would say is to adapt and to accept people the
way they are because obviously they're not in the US. It's hard for me to
accept, to ignore them, to see if someone has stolen something, is not
doing things right. It's hard to me to keep quiet. So, to adapt and to
accept these people. That's really hard. Sometimes I just feel like I want
to scream at people and yell at them. Just, “Get a job, just do something
for your life.” It's like, “Do a job. Everybody's getting a job. Why are
you jacking off? Why are you just jacking people on the streets or trying
to defraud and make fraud everywhere? Just get a job or something.” That
makes me mad, because I have a job. I'm paying taxes.


Lizzy: Yeah, you work hard.


Noe: Yeah, why you not? For real? I work hard and I pay taxes, so we have a
decent city. You just wake up, go to the bus, and ask for money? That's it?
That makes me mad, for real.


Lizzy: Do you think that for some people, they're not able to get a job
here?


Noe: I bet there's some people that are not able to get a job, but there's
a small fraction. Super, super, super small fraction. Let's say, for every
hundred people, at least only two of the people there really are disabled,
not able to get a job. The rest, they just don't want to get a job. For
example, those immigrants that came from Honduras. A couple of them, they
get into the bus, they say, “Just give me money. I don't have any
paperwork.” Dude, you don't need a paperwork. There's a food stand that is
asking for a server or something. You just fill out an application and ask
them for a job. Explain the situation. You say you really need a job, and
you want to work, they're not going to reject you. They're not going to let
you in the streets. And that’s the reason that they're asking for money
like that. Just get out. Get out of here. I'm not going to give you my
money. I'm giving you money to [inaudible 00:31:53] you can have a life,
you can have all type of programs. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I might be a dick
right now.


Lizzy: It's okay. I like honesty. I would rather have an honest answer.


Noe: Yeah. That's me.


Lizzy: What about, to switch over to a positive note to end on, what's been
the most positive thing for you, or what's been the best part of being back
in Mexico?


Noe: Hmm. Getting to know more about my culture. That's one thing. I've
been reading a lot of books about Mexico. Not the culture right now, but
the culture of Mexico, Hispanic Mexico. Visiting the temples, to
Teotihuacan, have you been there? Those are not, they're pyramids, but it's
called temples. The temples, there's a lot of things. For example, there's
a lot of history on my little village that used to be home of the Aztecs.


Lizzy: The what?


Noe: Aztecs.


Lizzy: Oh okay, yes. Yeah.


Noe: Cuauhtemoc, a big icon about the Aztec. Cuauhtemoc, they used to live
there. There's a lot of finds that have been happening around the village.
Whenever I go, when I have a chance, I go up there, and just explore the
caves. I've been finding paintings, prehistoric paintings. There's a lot of
culture that I've been seeing that I like. That's one thing, that I'm
getting to know more of my country. Well, my family. I get to see my family
more often. If I stay in the US, I will never come, like, “Ah, it's
Mexico.” [Chuckles].


Lizzy: When you lived in the US, were you ever able to visit Mexico?


Noe: No. Not at all, due to my immigration status. It's like everything.
The U.S.A. just swallow you into the system. And it's fine. It's working.
The thing that you not able to leave the country, you get used to it, like,
“Oh, it's just Mexico.” I was just playing. To be honest, I would never
come back. I would never come back if I wouldn't have deported, so that's
one positive thing about the deportation. I got to know my country, my
culture. Got to spend more time with my family. If it wouldn’t have been
like that, I would never have come to Mexico. Yeah, I think all the people
that leave Mexico and emigrate to the US, we do the same thing. “Okay, next
year, I'm going to go to Mexico.” The year goes by, and the year go by.
“Okay, in two years, I'm going to try to save my money and I'm going to
Mexico.” The two years go by, and it just goes by, goes by, it goes by, it
goes by. It's just like that.


Lizzy: It would be very difficult, because you would have to—


Noe: Cross the border again. Well, you know that things are getting more
hard on the border. There's a lot of chances that you might not make it.
Obviously, the cartels, they took over the border already. Either you pay a
lot of money or you're a mule or they just not let you in. They'll kill
you.


Lizzy: What are your hopes for your future now back in Mexico?


Noe: It's to get a better job. I know call centers, they pay pretty well,
more than on the street or working in construction, but my plan right now
is to get on track in my studies, get my GED, get to university, get some
career. Well, to get a career as quick as possible because I'm not speaking
about ten years from now or five years from now, I'm speaking—well maybe
five years. Ten years is too much. I'm trying to hurry up as quick as
possible and get a job.


Lizzy: Do you want to be a chef again, or something else?


Noe: Yeah. It's going to be something else, but food has always been my
passion. I'm planning to get my diploma on PMP. You know what PMP is?


Lizzy: What's that?


Noe: It's like a programming managing, it's computers, technology. After
that, I'm planning to open my own restaurant. Start from the bottom,
obviously, and open a small restaurant to see how it goes from there.


Lizzy: What kind of restaurant?


Noe: Japanese.


Lizzy: Japanese food?


Noe: Yeah. One of my plans is to go to the US because I have ten years
deportation, so after ten years I'll see what I can do to that. Hopefully
by then I'll have my restaurant at full potential and to get some chains to
the U.S., maybe South America. Canada is one of my targets as well.


Lizzy: To live?


Noe: To live as well, Canada. Well for business as well. Have U.S. and
Canada for business.


Lizzy: Opening up restaurants?


Noe: Opening restaurant. Small restaurants, to make a chain—not so
expensive.


Lizzy: What kind of Japanese food do you like to cook?


Noe: Well, I just go from stir fry into fried, like tempura things, sushi
rolls. There's a million sushi rolls that I can make. Mostly typical more
homemade Japanese food—let's say like ramens, house ramens, and everything.
Some products from Japan, like specifically like a, how I say? Those
products that you can't get anywhere except Japan, so I'm trying to do that
as well. That's one of my priorities as well.


Lizzy: Why Japan?


Noe: Because I like their culture. I've been raised with Japanese people as
well, and well I specialize. Out of the ten years of the kitchen, seven
years they were only for Japanese food. I know Italian, Chinese, Korean,
but Japanese is the one that captured my attention. All the rolls and
everything, the flavors. I know here, their palette, the Mexican people,
their taste, they are not really like aware of flavors. I'm working on it.


Lizzy: You can teach them how to like it.


Noe: Yeah, one example, when I first got into my village, I make a shrimp
fried rice with fruit spring rolls. They only ate the spring rolls. They
didn't like the fried rice with the shrimp. They’re like, “This is the best
thing that you gave me?” There is a big pot, maybe three pounds, three
pounds of rice. It was decent. “No, I don't like the rice, because it's
just rice.” “Eat it with the chopsticks, I don't think you guys can use it,
so use a fork.” They're like, “No, I don't want to eat just rice.” “Why?”
“Because I'm not a chicken.” I'm like, “Just eat it.” And now they're
saying, “Oh it just tastes like garlic.” “That's what fried rice tastes
like! Okay, fuck it! Just leave it, I'll just eat it all by myself.” Yeah,
they didn't like it. Some of my friends, they like it, but my family, my
parents, they're like super Mexican. [Chuckles]. They don't really used to
a different type. They give you beans, tortillas, and pork meat, and beef
meat. They're happy with it.


Lizzy: Well, hopefully one day, if you have a Japanese restaurant, they'll
come eat there and learn all about the food.